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| Right now Grady Sizemore is this years AL-MVP |
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darko
Joined: 19 Sep 2007
Posts: 5356
Location: Melbourne, AUS
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 Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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Just another thing where Quentin has an advantage: (adding onto my bit above)
Sizemore is batting .275 with runners on and .305 with RISP. Quentin on the other hand is batting .349 with runners on (.074 higher) and .324 (.019) with RISP. Siozemore does hit for higher average with RISP w/2 outs (.327 compared to .275).
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Bizplayboy
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Joined: 16 Aug 2007
Posts: 5450
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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Alot of good points here ... But want i want to re-emphasize is how special his numbers are because of the slot in the batting order he is in. I think that this has to be a huge factor in the decision ...
I equate what Grady's doing this year similar to Jeff Kent being a possible hall of famer. Looking at Kents numbers on their own .. they are not hall of fame worthy .. now looking at his numbers and recognizing he did this as a half decent 2nd baseman changes things.
I think Grady deserves the same type of credit. To be able to be on top of lead off catergories while putting up power numbers that are better then most cleanup hitters ... is something remarkable.
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youngbuck8100
Joined: 19 Sep 2007
Posts: 3136
Location: Brookline, MA
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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Since 1997, only 5 guys have won an MVP and their team didnt make the playoffs. Larry Walker in 97, Barry Bonds in 01 and 04, ARod in 03 and Ryan Howard in 06. So only 5 of the last 20 MVP winners (25%) have come from non playoff teams. True, it doesnt make any sense that the winners team's record comes into play in the MVP voting, but it happens.
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TheGrandSalami
Joined: 12 Jul 2008
Posts: 203
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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Actually Buck that helps my point. Bonds in those two seasons, ARod, and Howard all had seasons where the put up insane numbers and were no doubt the best player in the league (can't remember that larry walker season too well)
Grady Sizemore is excellent, but is not far and away the best player in the AL. Carlos Quentin is, as shown, somewhat similar to Sizemore.
Koby, I don't see why it's so hard to see how valuable Quentin is to the White Sox.
Sizemore is good, but look at the White Sox. They were awful last year. In the offseason, they made 3 additions: Nick Swisher, who is hitting .223; Orlando Cabrera, who is slugging .357; and Carlos Quentin. He alone is turning that team from a somewhat non-impressive ballclub into one of the top 5 teams in baseball.
He is much more valuable to the White Sox then Sizemore is to the Indians.
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Koby Schellenger
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Joined: 08 Sep 2007
Posts: 1471
Location: Madison, WI
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 12:09 am Post subject: |
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| TheGrandSalami wrote: |
Actually Buck that helps my point. Bonds in those two seasons, ARod, and Howard all had seasons where the put up insane numbers and were no doubt the best player in the league (can't remember that larry walker season too well)
Grady Sizemore is excellent, but is not far and away the best player in the AL. Carlos Quentin is, as shown, somewhat similar to Sizemore.
Koby, I don't see why it's so hard to see how valuable Quentin is to the White Sox.
Sizemore is good, but look at the White Sox. They were awful last year. In the offseason, they made 3 additions: Nick Swisher, who is hitting .223; Orlando Cabrera, who is slugging .357; and Carlos Quentin. He alone is turning that team from a somewhat non-impressive ballclub into one of the top 5 teams in baseball.
He is much more valuable to the White Sox then Sizemore is to the Indians. |
I'm not saying he isn't valuable or that he's not more valuable than Sizemore. I already said Alex Rodriguez should be the MVP--at this point--so chill out.
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hessshaun
Joined: 28 Jan 2008
Posts: 1029
Location: Philly
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 11:14 am Post subject: |
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| darko wrote: |
Just another thing where Quentin has an advantage: (adding onto my bit above)
Sizemore is batting .275 with runners on and .305 with RISP. Quentin on the other hand is batting .349 with runners on (.074 higher) and .324 (.019) with RISP. Siozemore does hit for higher average with RISP w/2 outs (.327 compared to .275). |
Darko, just out of curiosity, how many more ABs does Carlos have with RISP?
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syobwoc
Joined: 12 Nov 2007
Posts: 161
Location: Kankakee, IL
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Bizplayboy wrote: |
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Carlos Quentin is my pick. AL ranks - runs (3rd), HRs (1st), RBIs (4th), OBP (7th), SLG (3rd).
H2H versus Sizemore:
Runs: Quentin (93), Sizemore (80) - Sizemore is a lead off hitter but Quentin is in better offense, you expect Sizemore to have an advantage however (he was top 2 years ago and finished 4th in runs last year)
HRs: Quentin (36), Sizemore (31)
RBIs: Quentin (99), Sizemore (79) - again Sizemore bats lead off, 79 RBIs for a lead off hitter is very good
SBs: Quentin (6), Sizemore (34) - big advantage to Sizemore
Some talk about Sizemore's OBP being so high (top 10 in AL) despite batting .270, well Quentin is batting .289 and his OBP is .012 higher than Sizemore's (.395 compared to .383). Quentin has an advantage in AVG, OBP, SLG and OPS. Dont see how you can pick Sizemore before Quentin... |
Good analysis Darko ....
But my question is this ... Quentin is putting up great numbers in a position where you are soppose to put up those type of numbers .... Grady is doing it in the leadoff position ... If you put Grady in Quentins slot in the order, What would his numbers look like? ... especialy in the RBI catergory ... that's from the #1 hole, what would that look like in the #3 or #4 slot?
I think the fact that he is near the top of many of the leadoff catergories (SB, Runs, OBP) yet has power numbers similar to a Quentin ... makes this is amonumental feat to me. |
If you want to talk about where they bat in the order, dont forget that Quentin spent the first 2 months of the season hitting in the 6th-7th hole, which suggests had he been in the 3rd slot all season, his numbers would be that much better.
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Bizplayboy
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Joined: 16 Aug 2007
Posts: 5450
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| True Syboc ,, But the leadoff position has a definitive role ... Which is different then any other slot in the batting order, No doubt the numbers change depending on where you are in the order, but the 1 slot is it's own entity. You can bat 3rd and then drop to 7th and continue to do what is expected ,,, but that same player moving to the 1 hole is a completley different beast. IMHO.
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TheGrandSalami
Joined: 12 Jul 2008
Posts: 203
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| Bizzyboy the problem with what you're saying is that because Eric Wedge chose to bat Sizemore leadoff, this makes his stats more significant. If Quentin were to bat leadoff obviously some of his stats would change but he'd still be having a monster season. It's not really a good idea to evaluate an MVP candidate based on factors they can't control. Sizemore's numbers are significant, yes, but I don't see how where he bats in the order (which he can not control) makes him a more viable MVP candidate than Quentin.
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Bizplayboy
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Joined: 16 Aug 2007
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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| TheGrandSalami wrote: |
| Bizzyboy the problem with what you're saying is that because Eric Wedge chose to bat Sizemore leadoff, this makes his stats more significant. If Quentin were to bat leadoff obviously some of his stats would change but he'd still be having a monster season. It's not really a good idea to evaluate an MVP candidate based on factors they can't control. Sizemore's numbers are significant, yes, but I don't see how where he bats in the order (which he can not control) makes him a more viable MVP candidate than Quentin. |
Hi Salami .. It's not the fact that Grady has had the oppertunity to bat leadoff ... it's the fact that he dominates the catergories that go into that position .. while putting up #4 type numbers. That's what makes him so special.
Sure Quentin can bat leadoff and hit 40 HR's ... but he'll kill them because he wont draw the walks, he'll clog up the base path's, have no SB's .. essentially ... he hell put up the #4 type numbers while hurting the team.
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darko
Joined: 19 Sep 2007
Posts: 5356
Location: Melbourne, AUS
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Bizplayboy wrote: |
| Sure Quentin can bat leadoff and hit 40 HR's ... but he'll kill them because he wont draw the walks, he'll clog up the base path's, have no SB's .. essentially ... he hell put up the #4 type numbers while hurting the team. [/font][/size] |
Sizemore walked only 16 times more than Quentin. Quentin also has a higher OBP than Sizemore. The only think Quentin doesnt have is Sizemore's speed.
Either way we are comparing apples and bananas here...
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Koby Schellenger
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Joined: 08 Sep 2007
Posts: 1471
Location: Madison, WI
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Bizplayboy wrote: |
| True Syboc ,, But the leadoff position has a definitive role ... Which is different then any other slot in the batting order, No doubt the numbers change depending on where you are in the order, but the 1 slot is it's own entity. You can bat 3rd and then drop to 7th and continue to do what is expected ,,, but that same player moving to the 1 hole is a completley different beast. IMHO. |
Sure, but being a leadoff hitter entails getting on base, getting more bases & ultimately scoring runs--in an easily observable, simplistic fashion. Quentin is getting on base at a better clip (.396-.383). Quentin is getting more bases (I'll use this formula to fairly completely capture total bases [(TB+SB-CS)/AB], .385-.372.) Quentin is even better at scoring runs (94-82).
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amalric
Joined: 04 Jun 2008
Posts: 184
Location: Scotland
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:35 am Post subject: |
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Quentin all the way. And don't just take my word for it, take Rotoworld's, from just over a week ago (Aug 17):-
Carlos Quentin went 2-for-3 with a homer, four RBI and a pair of walks in a victory over the A's on Sunday.
Quentin is on a tear. He's hit 15 home runs in his past 32 games and has a firm grasp on the AL lead in that category. He's also Top 5 in slugging percentage, runs scored and RBI, and Top 10 in on-base percentage, all while playing for a first-place team. If he's not the league's leading MVP contender, he's right near the top of the list.
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